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		By: Paul Brock		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Brock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2025 16:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.logicalplanet.com/2024/01/01/first-layer-squish-tool/#comment-4244&quot;&gt;Wayne&lt;/a&gt;.

oh, that is a little strange.  If I understand you correctly basically the first 2 layers are missing in the slicer preview?  Or the body is there but the tabs are not?  Can you email me a screen shot at logicalplanet3d gmail.com and I can help you work through this.  Sounds like a good learning opportunity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.logicalplanet.com/2024/01/01/first-layer-squish-tool/#comment-4244">Wayne</a>.</p>
<p>oh, that is a little strange.  If I understand you correctly basically the first 2 layers are missing in the slicer preview?  Or the body is there but the tabs are not?  Can you email me a screen shot at logicalplanet3d gmail.com and I can help you work through this.  Sounds like a good learning opportunity.</p>
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		By: Wayne		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2025 05:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi,
As you view the layers in Cura slicer 5.9 the 0.3slot doesn&#039;t appear until layer 3, the 0.2 slot until layer 4 and the 0.1 slot doesn&#039;t appear until layer 5. All layers before those noted are solid. Is this correct?
I think it&#039;s a Cura thing, but don&#039;t know how to fix it. Any clues?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
As you view the layers in Cura slicer 5.9 the 0.3slot doesn&#8217;t appear until layer 3, the 0.2 slot until layer 4 and the 0.1 slot doesn&#8217;t appear until layer 5. All layers before those noted are solid. Is this correct?<br />
I think it&#8217;s a Cura thing, but don&#8217;t know how to fix it. Any clues?</p>
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		By: Paul Brock		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Brock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2025 16:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.logicalplanet.com/2024/01/01/first-layer-squish-tool/#comment-4036&quot;&gt;Hank&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Hank, You are welcome.  I am glad it is helpful for you. 

Paul.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.logicalplanet.com/2024/01/01/first-layer-squish-tool/#comment-4036">Hank</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Hank, You are welcome.  I am glad it is helpful for you. </p>
<p>Paul.</p>
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		By: Hank		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2025 04:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Paul
Thanks for the model, it’s really helpful to tuning the first layer.  I’m using it with beacon contact function and thermal expansion that really easy to tune printer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul<br />
Thanks for the model, it’s really helpful to tuning the first layer.  I’m using it with beacon contact function and thermal expansion that really easy to tune printer.</p>
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		By: Paul Brock		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Brock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2024 14:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.logicalplanet.com/2024/01/01/first-layer-squish-tool/#comment-2074&quot;&gt;Jason Hatcher&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi, very interesting...   I just tried looking at the preview in Cura with it set at 0.1 and 0.12 layer heights and I still see a gap.  You definitely should still see a gap.  I had to zoom in to see it but it is there.  It sounds like there is an issue with your Cura profile.  I don&#039;t think it is a model issue.  

The only reasons I can think of at the moment that would cause this is over extruding or the line width.  Your 0.42mm line width would be one factor.  But I set mine to 0.45mm just now (I usually use 0.40mm) and it closed up the first gap.   So this type of thing would do it.  Also, flow rate will have the same effect.  For example if I set my flow from 100% to 110% it closes up the gaps.  

In the end you have found a new way to use the tool...  thank you.  I never thought to use it in preview but it is great to see that it works this way.  For sure if your preview shows no gaps and too much squish you are going to get too much squish.  So nice work!!  But back to your specific issue...   perhaps go back to a default profile and start clean to see if the preview looks good.  If you give me your email address I can send you my profile - even though it is for a Voron you can still see the settings I use, check the preview and compare them to yours. 

I hope that was useful for you!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.logicalplanet.com/2024/01/01/first-layer-squish-tool/#comment-2074">Jason Hatcher</a>.</p>
<p>Hi, very interesting&#8230;   I just tried looking at the preview in Cura with it set at 0.1 and 0.12 layer heights and I still see a gap.  You definitely should still see a gap.  I had to zoom in to see it but it is there.  It sounds like there is an issue with your Cura profile.  I don&#8217;t think it is a model issue.  </p>
<p>The only reasons I can think of at the moment that would cause this is over extruding or the line width.  Your 0.42mm line width would be one factor.  But I set mine to 0.45mm just now (I usually use 0.40mm) and it closed up the first gap.   So this type of thing would do it.  Also, flow rate will have the same effect.  For example if I set my flow from 100% to 110% it closes up the gaps.  </p>
<p>In the end you have found a new way to use the tool&#8230;  thank you.  I never thought to use it in preview but it is great to see that it works this way.  For sure if your preview shows no gaps and too much squish you are going to get too much squish.  So nice work!!  But back to your specific issue&#8230;   perhaps go back to a default profile and start clean to see if the preview looks good.  If you give me your email address I can send you my profile &#8211; even though it is for a Voron you can still see the settings I use, check the preview and compare them to yours. </p>
<p>I hope that was useful for you!</p>
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		By: Jason Hatcher		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2024 04:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello,  when I preview in Cura (5.5.0) it shows the  0.1, 0.2 &#038; 0.3 slots as being closed before I print it.  My Layer Height is 0.1, Initial Layer Height is 0.12 and Line Width is 0.42.  Printer is an Elegoo Neptune 3 Plus.

I have tried changing the Initial Layer Height and Line Width in Cura but the preview stays the same so I don&#039;t think I will be getting accurate results to gauge my adjustments.

Any ideas as to why my preview is like this?

-Thank you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,  when I preview in Cura (5.5.0) it shows the  0.1, 0.2 &amp; 0.3 slots as being closed before I print it.  My Layer Height is 0.1, Initial Layer Height is 0.12 and Line Width is 0.42.  Printer is an Elegoo Neptune 3 Plus.</p>
<p>I have tried changing the Initial Layer Height and Line Width in Cura but the preview stays the same so I don&#8217;t think I will be getting accurate results to gauge my adjustments.</p>
<p>Any ideas as to why my preview is like this?</p>
<p>-Thank you.</p>
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		By: Paul Brock		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Brock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2024 01:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.logicalplanet.com/2024/01/01/first-layer-squish-tool/#comment-2050&quot;&gt;Dez&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes.  I think we are in agreement.  :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.logicalplanet.com/2024/01/01/first-layer-squish-tool/#comment-2050">Dez</a>.</p>
<p>Yes.  I think we are in agreement.  🙂</p>
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		By: Dez		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2024 00:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.logicalplanet.com/2024/01/01/first-layer-squish-tool/#comment-2041&quot;&gt;Paul Brock&lt;/a&gt;.

I understand what you&#039;re saying. It depends on the direction your specific machine is set up. +/- is simply a direction relative to your machine. AND - since +/- is simply direction, -0.250 is not a smaller number, it is a bigger number in the negative direction. That&#039;s why it moves the printhead away from the bed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.logicalplanet.com/2024/01/01/first-layer-squish-tool/#comment-2041">Paul Brock</a>.</p>
<p>I understand what you&#8217;re saying. It depends on the direction your specific machine is set up. +/- is simply a direction relative to your machine. AND &#8211; since +/- is simply direction, -0.250 is not a smaller number, it is a bigger number in the negative direction. That&#8217;s why it moves the printhead away from the bed.</p>
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		By: Paul Brock		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Brock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.logicalplanet.com/2024/01/01/first-layer-squish-tool/#comment-2034&quot;&gt;Dez&lt;/a&gt;.

Haha, now even I am confused. 

I think our confusion starts with the basic idea that (on a Voron at least) a smaller z-offset (i.e. more negative number) moves the toolhead away from the bed.  A larger z-offset (more positive number) moves the toolhead closer to the bed.  So if whatever printer you are using is not like that then it needs to be reversed (as I think you have described).

From my perspective the beginning statement that &quot;raising your z-offset by 0.05mm&quot; meant increasing the z height (raising the tool head).  Raising the tool head (at least on a Voron) means a smaller number (more negative).  For example a -0.200 would change to -0.250.  Doing this means less first layer squish.  

Does that help?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.logicalplanet.com/2024/01/01/first-layer-squish-tool/#comment-2034">Dez</a>.</p>
<p>Haha, now even I am confused. </p>
<p>I think our confusion starts with the basic idea that (on a Voron at least) a smaller z-offset (i.e. more negative number) moves the toolhead away from the bed.  A larger z-offset (more positive number) moves the toolhead closer to the bed.  So if whatever printer you are using is not like that then it needs to be reversed (as I think you have described).</p>
<p>From my perspective the beginning statement that &#8220;raising your z-offset by 0.05mm&#8221; meant increasing the z height (raising the tool head).  Raising the tool head (at least on a Voron) means a smaller number (more negative).  For example a -0.200 would change to -0.250.  Doing this means less first layer squish.  </p>
<p>Does that help?</p>
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		By: Dez		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2024 20:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello! I&#039;m trying to math my way through this, and my math ain&#039;t mathing. You&#039;re talking in this example about raising your z-offset by 0.05mm. If you were to raise it, that would actually end up with LESS of a negative and so it would need to be -0.200. Going from -0.250 to -3.00 is actually lowering it even more. 

If I am understanding what you are trying to do, the equation should read 

[initial z-offset] - [required change]

This should work because if you get a negative value for the required change, that would end up adding it to the initial negative value and lifting the nozzle away from the bed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello! I&#8217;m trying to math my way through this, and my math ain&#8217;t mathing. You&#8217;re talking in this example about raising your z-offset by 0.05mm. If you were to raise it, that would actually end up with LESS of a negative and so it would need to be -0.200. Going from -0.250 to -3.00 is actually lowering it even more. </p>
<p>If I am understanding what you are trying to do, the equation should read </p>
<p>[initial z-offset] &#8211; [required change]</p>
<p>This should work because if you get a negative value for the required change, that would end up adding it to the initial negative value and lifting the nozzle away from the bed.</p>
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